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Fanatec ClubSport Wheel Base v2.5 - Servo Power and multi platform

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Although it looks familiar to you it has almost no part which has not been modified or replaced to make it a better base.
Our focus was durability, durability, durability and then performance.  And while we made a radical re-design, we decided to make an offer nobody can refuse.
The smoothness, vividness and precision of a Direct Drive wheel combined with a torque increase of about 75% and (optional) compatibility to the latest gaming consoles.  And all that with a moderate price increase.

 

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Here are the details:
7 Ultra Precise
We replaced the optical sensor with two magnetic high resolution hall sensors mounted on both the motor and the steering axis. The new sensors have double the resolution and the magnetic sensore are less vulnerable to dust or scratched code discs.

6 Smoothastic
The cogging of this system cannot be felt by a human anymore. It is incredible smooth and feels natural and realistic. It is on par or better with the best and most expensive wheel out there although those wheels costs a multiple of the CSW B V2. Every little bump can be felt and effects which were filtered by the wheel mechanics can now be felt. Your racing simulations will feel different and new to you.

5 Rock Solid
Our focus was to achieve high durability even for hardcore users.
•    Improved QR release with rubber o-ring and less tolerance in production
•    A brushless motor which can be cooled much easier as it gets hot on the outside and not on the inside so heat can be transfered better
•    New cooling system featuring an additional fan on the backside right behind the new huge heat sink
•    Integrated heat sensor inside the motor
•   Motor can now even be operated at 180 C° although the FOR overclocking would be de-activated already at 120 C° and FF would shut down at 130°C. The motor has plenty of power so most people will not use max settings anyway. And during betatests it never happened that a motor was shut down or the FF was cut due to overheating.
•    Ball bearings on the motor axis and bigger ball bearings inside the pulleys so we can increase the belt tension and avoid any belt slip. At the same time we have much less drag in the system.
•    Magnetic sensors instead of the optical so we avoid problems with dust and scratches
•    New main cable
•    New electronics
•    And many other small improvements to the overall build quality

4 Power. A lot.
The new motor is custom designed and exclusive to Fanatec. Although the gear ratio has been changed to increase the rotation speed, it delivers about 75% more torque than the CSW B V1. This means over 7 NM of sheer power and this is enough to use even heavy rims with no disadvantages. The size of the power supply has also increased in order to feed the big motor.

3 Brushless Servo
A brushless servo motor is currently state-of-the-art for force feedback systems and in principle this is exactly the same motor as the most expensive direct drive base units out there.
•    Smooth performance with no cogging (in combination with our Poly-V belt drive system or direct drive)
•    Easier to cool as the heat is on the outside of the motor and not on the motor shaft
•    Strong axis with ball bearings
•    Optimized for use in stall at max power
•    Fast acceleration
•    More efficiency -> more torque with same power

We had to develop entire new electronics for that motor as the motor driver is quite complex. Now that it is done we can easily use it for smaller brushless motors or a direct drive wheel.

2 Next Generation
The ClubSport Wheel Base V2 is the next generation of ourwheel base but there is also a strong demand of wheels for “Next-Gen” consoles. People were asking us to make their wheels compatible to the Xbox One and Playstation 4  but if we want to make it official and legal then we need to follow the rules of the console makers and they clearly do not allow that.
So how can we make a product where there is a chance that the customer can keep at least most of the equipment he purchased? We can easily make the pedals, shifters and handbrake compatible and this is what we did but what about the base unit? And how can we make a product multi-platform compatible if we can only get approval for a license if the product has only the symbols of either one console on it?
We came up with an idea which brings modularity to a whole new level and protects your investment. If you play on PC then just go ahead and purchase the wheel base as it is and you will not be bothered with symbols which might hurt your eye. But if you want to enjoy the painless simplicity of a console with its great exclusive racing simulations then you will get the option to buy an optional steering wheel which will add full console compatibility to this base.

We want to achieve compatibility to both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and we are happy to announce that we already signed a contract with one of them. We will announce this product at the end of this year. There will be multiple steering wheels available in different price ranges and they will compatible to several Fanatec base units from mid-range to direct drive.

1 By Invitation Only
The great response we get from our beta testers lead us to the conclusion that the demand for this product will be much bigger than the supply. Production output will be lower as before as we spend even more time on quality control and testing.
At the same time we want to honor the loyalty of our existing customers and want to offer a special pre-order discount for the owners of the current ClubSport and CSR Elite base so that they can enjoy a little upgrade advantage.
This is how it works:
•   We will send an e-mail to our webshop customers with an invite code. There will be several waves of e-mails in the next months. 
•   Only after you entered the code to your profile page you will be able to purchase or pre-order this product
•   After you purchased one V2 base you will receive a second code. You can give that to a friend or buy a second base.
•  Only one code will be given with a purchase as we want to avoid that people are selling their products or invites on eBay and make money with it.
•  We will also give away invites in giveaway events so frequent followers of the blog or Facebook will also get a chance to get an invite

This is the priority we will use for the invites to make it as fair and transparent as possible.
1.    Webshop customers of the CSW B V1 and CSR E (sorted by purchase date)
2.    Webshop customers of other ClubSport products like CSP or CSS
3.    All other Fanatec customers

Of course we will treat all territories with the same priority. Not every customer will use his invite so go ahead and ask your friends if they use their invite of if they give it to you in case you are not on the list yet. It is possible and welcome to transfer invite codes.

Please do not ask our sales team for invites. They are not authorized to give out codes anyway. If it is your turn then you will get an e-mail. We will open a thread in our forum which explains more details and where you can also ask for invites from other members.
By the way, all lucky customers who placed a pre-order for the old V1 base just got a free upgrade to V2 and they are the first to receive the new product.

The Price
Pre-order price:
EU: 499,95
USA: 499,95
AUS: 655
J: 65.000

Regular price:
EU: 599,95
USA: 599,95
AUS: 785
J: 78.000

Prices are calculated different in the regions depending on taxes, laws, logistic costs and other local costs.

Availability
We started production this week and as soon as we start shipping, we will open the pre-orders for the invited guests. The first products should arrive at the end of September or early October.

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milos-krasic

Cosa stanno architettando ?

 

Come volevasi dimostrare.....un nuovo volante, sicuramente.....c'è chi parla di un "Direct Drive".....

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Filodream

Già.. ma la mia previsione è: nuova versione "csw" coi cari vecchi Mabuchi, compatibile con xbox one.

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Black Box

Cosa stanno architettando ?

 

 

 

Volevo ipotizzare che si trattasse di macchinario / fresa di precisione e NON di parte di oggetto / periferica...ma google mi ha aiutato ad avere una conferma :)

http://www.goodwaycnc.com/exhtml_goodway/goodway_en/turning/horizontal/gs_6000/turret.htm

 

il CSW è fatto al CNC...e probabilmente è una delle poche qualità imputabili a questo volante (non senza riserve...)...

 

Se hanno intenzione di fare un altro volante stile CSW (con soluzioni meccaniche differenti) mantenendo lo standard qualitativo (strutturalmente parlando) del CSW non sarebbe una brutta cosa. Bisogna vedere poi appunto il lato elettronica / motori perchè come dice giustamente Filodream, e come confermato da Thomas in più di qualche intervista / risposta (vaga) alle critiche avanzate sulla qualità dei mabuchi, è molto probabile che il problema si riproponga anche nei prossimi anni.

 

Fanatec sembra proprio convinta di poter usare motori scadenti (o NON idonei al tipo di utilizzo in questione, visto che sulle macchinine radiocomandate o sui trapani vanno benissimo!!!) convinta di poterla fare da padrone...

L'alternativa è sempre Thrustmaster, per quanto plasticosa o per quanto possa non piacere, e purtroppo nessun'altro al momento. 

Sono curioso di vedere quando, tra qualche mese / anno usciranno alternative al bodnar in forma "economica". Chissà se Fanatec continuerà sulla strada dei "i mabuchi hanno sempre funzionato bene...." (pagliacci...IMHO)

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Filodream

lol..

L'hanno postata su faccialibro stamane.

Dovrebbero mancare 7 giorni per sapere di cosa si tratta.

Sono sicuro però che è qualcosa per accontentare anche le nuove console.

Visto il target, non mi aspetto l'oggetto dei sogni (servomotore). Considerando che secondo me Fanatec è fierissima del loro tamarrino\agglomerato di specchi per allodole CSW, mi aspetto lo stesso sistema, con Mabuchi (dei quali i loro magazzini traboccheranno ancora per i prossimi 10 anni), ma nuova elettronica compatibile anche con le console next gen.

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Black Box

quotone...

 

Sfortunatamente il "target" è quello, e perchè sprecare soldi e tempo in nuovi progetti quando il CSW risulta, agli occhi del mondo delle simulazioni casalinghe, un ottimo prodotto?

Siamo seri:
"Noi" che critichiamo il CSW per eventuali mancanze (a parte i difetti dei motori, problemi costanti, etc etc...) siamo probabilmente troppo esigenti se confrontati con la media di utenza con la quale tratta FANATEC, pertanto rappresentiamo si e no il 5% dei potenziali clienti.

Se, come già detto sopra, vorranno creare un altra periferica / specchietto per le allodole con motori scadenti / inappropriati per accontentare l'utenza console next gen non ci sarebbe da stupirsi.

FORTUNATAMENTE ci sono sempre più aziende medio piccole che investono tempo e denaro nella creazione di hardware di ben altro livello, quindi sarà solo una questione di tempo prima di vedere qualche BUON volante con BUON controller sul mercato, magari a prezzi non accessibilissimi a tutti...ok, ma dopo gli oltre 1000 euro di "bundle" per un CSW full optional io sarei anche contento di spendere il doppio per qualcosa di semi-professionale...non so voi.

 

Sono finiti (IMHO) i tempi di Frex, e allo stesso modo il modding (parlando SEMPRE e solo di corpo motore) ha sempre meno senso per via degli elevati costi di materiale e manodopera; Questo almeno prendendo come riferimento i 3700 euro del Bodnar (che attualmente viene considerato il top?)

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Black Box

mmmmmmmmh... dopo la precisione del CNC, l'aggettivo "vellutata" (vedi faccialibro), e "rock solid", comincio a chiedermi se

 

- hanno battuto forte forte la testa

- o hanno in mente più di un prodotto, quindi un "bundle" volante-postazione-pedaliera di "alto" livello.

- oppure l'ormai intramontabile ipotesi di un altro volante compatibile con le console, o meglio un volante a servomotore (che spiegherebbe una serie di aggettivi...per adesso).

 

Tanto mancano 5 giorni, poi vedremo...

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milos-krasic

Altro indizio da parte di Fanatec... "Power. A lot"...

Dopo "Ultra precise", "Smooth" e soprattutto "Rock Solid", penso di aver capito di cosa si tratta (e l'ultimo indizio lo conferma). La Fanatec si sta lanciando nella produzione di volanti in pietra per la serie de "I Flinstones"!

Scherzi a parte, a questo punto penso che non usino più i Mabuchi. Dopo tutte le lamentele avute, sarebbero dei pazzi a rimontarli su un futuro volante.

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Filodream

Stanno usando aggettivi troppo belli infatti..... io inizio a pensare bene.

Non vedo l'ora che finisca il conto alla rovescia.... incredibile smacco by Fallatec!  :doh:  :dente:

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